I had the chance to receive some new FOIA docuement after digging into some new articles I received. Here is a partial conversation with David at rudiak@garnet.berkeley.edu and the portions of FOIA Documents that follow:

Dan, The complete memo, I understand, runs about 3 pages. Portions of it are reprinted in Friedman and Berliner's book, "Crash at Corona." A smaller extract appears in Timothy Good's "Above Top Secret." I've included an earlier post of mine to a.p.u. and a.a.v. which has the material from Friedman and Berliner.

The document was declassified in 1985 under FOIA, but I don't have a document number. Try contacting Stanton Friedman at his e-mail address sfphys@brunswickmicro.nb.ca. He probably has the complete document and the other information you seek. He may be the one responsible for getting the document released in the first place.

David

---------------------------------------------------------------------- Feb. 14, 1996

Bill Peterson recently reprinted the remarkable Gen. Nathan Twining memo of Sept. 23, 1947, which, in regard to all the flying saucer reports of May-July 1947, stated that "The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious." He then went on to describe how the saucers were large, metallic, highly maneuverable, evasive, flew in formation, and exhibited extreme rates of climb.

Twining's memo had been prompted by Gen. George Schulgen, asst. Chief of Staff for Air Intelligence, who asked him for further information on July 30, 1947. Schulgen and his staff, concerned about the massive sightings and their implications for national security, had already conducted their own preliminary investigation of the saucer reports during July. The existence of this study was denied by Air Force spokesmen for the next 30 years until forced into the open by the Freedom of Information Act in 1976.

The study was made up of 16 of what they considered to be the best sightings (including Kenneth Arnold's famous June 24 case). Like the Twining letter, the July 30 study concluded that "From detailed study of reports selected for their impression of veracity and reliability, several conclusions have been formed: This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around."

What then followed Twining's Sept. 23 letter was even more remarkable. Schulgen apparently asked for additional information from Twining, and then on Oct. 28, 1947 issued a draft order (portions reprinted below) for American intelligence operatives throughout the world directing them to gather all potentially relevent information about flying saucers. (This document was declassified and released under FOIA in 1985.)

What's remarkable about this order is that it goes into very specific details about saucer contruction. Unusual construction materials are described including "metallic foils," and "balsa wood or similar material" and "fabrication methods to achieve extreme light weight and structural stability," which also included composite or sandwich construction.

Those who have read the descriptions of crash debris by Roswell eyewitnesses know that they also described extremely tough and lightweight metallic foils and balsa-wood like beams, possibly laminated, with plastic-like properties.

To my mind, this can't be mere coincidence. The Air Force already had in its possession crash material of this description, despite Twining's denial in his Sept. 23 letter.

Schulgen's memo further describes such saucer oddities as retractable domes, unusual hatchways, tripod landing gears, lack of fuel storage, and a powerplant that wasn't separate from but an integral part of the aircraft. These are truly remarkable details to comment on if all the Air Force had to go on were reports of distant lights in the sky told to them by civilian crazies.

Skeptics ask for documentary proof of a Roswell saucer crash. The Schulgen memo is a virtual smoking gun that a crash occurred, and that Twining and the Air Force had examined a craft, or pieces of one, up close and personal.

Portions of Schulgen's directive follow:

"This strange object, or phenomenon, may be considered, in view of certain observations, as long-range aircraft capable of a high rate of climb, high cruising speed and highly maneuverable and capable of being flown in very tight formations. For the purpose of analysis and evaluation of these so-called "flying saucers," the object sighted is being assumed to be a manned craft of unknown origin. While there remains he possibility of Russian manufacture, based on perspective thinking and actual accomplishments of the Germans, it is the considered opinion of some elements that the object may in fact represent interplanetary craft of some kind."

"Construction. a. Type of material, whether metal, ferrous, non-ferrous or nonmetallic. b. Composite or sandwich construction utilizing various combinations of metals, metallic foils, plastics, and perhaps balsa wood or similar material. c. Unusual fabrication methods to achieve extreme light weight and structural stability."

"Arrangement. a. Special provisions such as retractable domes to provide unusual observation for the pilot and crew members. b. Unusual feaures or provisions regarding the opening and closing of doors."

"Landing Gear. a. Indicate type of landing gear--whether conventional, tricycle, multiple wheel, etc. or of an unconventional type such as tripod or skid."

"Powerplant. a. 3. Nuclear propulsion (atomic energy). Atomic energy engines would probably be unlike any family type of engine, although atomic energy might be employed in combination with any of the above types (piston, jet). Aircraft would be characterized by lack of fuel systems and fuel storage space. b. The powerplant would likely be an integral part of the aircraft and possibly not distinguishable as an item separate from the aircraft."

Read on !

Declassified from "Secret" by WG Lewis on Jan 29,1985.

Doc is dated 30 OCT 1947. There is a PRM # of 1168 and a letter I can't read. Doc is Titled: "Intelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer Type Aircraft." HQ, USAF-AFOIR

TECH BRIEF ON THE 30 OCT 47 "COLLECTION REQUIREMENT" ON "FLYING SAUCER TYPE AIRCRAFT" 04-15-96

Detailed Comparison Between The "Secret" FOIA Declassified (Jan 29th,1985) Draft "Collection Requirement" Dated 30 Oct 1947 Entitled "Intelligence Requirements on Flying Saucer Type Aircraft:" And The Debris Description at Roswell plus Description Given in 1952 Eisenhower Document:

1) Debris description at Roswell:

"Almost weightless.........like a metal with plastic properties." LtCol Marcel

"Foil-like.......very thin, metallic-like but not metal and very tough." DR Marcel

"Some small beams that appeared to be either wood or wood like." Walt Whitmore, Jr.

".........some wooden-like particles...like balsa wood in weight, but a bit darker in color and much harder.......It was pliable but wouldn't break." William Brazel

"Small beams about 3/8" or 1/2" square with some sort of hieroglyphics on them that nobody could decipher. They looked something like balsa wood, and were about the same weight, except that they were not wood at all. They were very hard, although flexible, and would not burn.... or even smoke,..........the symbols on them were pink and purple." LtCol Marcel

2) From "Collection Requirement:"

Paragraph 3. "Items of Construction"

"a. Type of material, whether metal, ferrous, non ferrous, or non-metallic."

"b. Composite or sandwich construction utilizing various combinations of metals, metallic foils, plastics, and perhaps balsa wood or similar material."

"c. Unusual fabrication methods to achieve extreme light weight and structural stability."

3) From "1952 Eisenhower DOC: Page 004; Paragraph 3:

"Numerous examples of what appear to be a form of writing were found in the wreckage. Efforts to decipher these have remained largely unsuccessful. (See Attachment "E".) Equally unsuccessful have been efforts to determine the method of propulsion or the nature or method of transmission of the power source involved. Research along these lines has been complicated by the complete absence of identifiable wings, propellers, jets, or other conventional methods of propulsion and guidance, as well as a total lack of metallic wiring, vacuum tubes, or similar recognizable electronic components. (see Attachment "F".) It is assumed that the propulsion unit was completely destroyed by the explosion which caused the crash."

4) From the "Collection Requirement:"

Excerpted from Paragraph 6. "Power Plant"

"Aircraft would be characterized by a lack of fuel systems and fuel storage space."

"The presence of an unconventional or unusual type propulsion system cannot be ruled out and should be considered of great interest."

"The power plant would likely be an integral part of the aircraft and could possibly not be distinguished as an item separate from the aircraft."

Comments: After having written so many collection requirements myself its my opinion that from the way this "Collection Requirement" reads it appears that they already had something "in hand" even when not comparing this to "Eisenhower DOC."

Dan;
The Collection Req is a FOIA Doc from the US Gov: You can get a copy by writing to them. The Eisenhower Doc as I refer to it is the same as what is called the MJ-12 Docs. But, I believe that since a number of "Well Qualified" people have investigated the MJ-12 Docs and could not show them to be a hoax then the case is still open in my book: But, the "Collection Req" can stand on its own without the MJ-12 Docs as I think you will notice.

Regards

Bob