I wrote this in response to the article when it was posted on the UFO Updates list. This whole venture is completely bogus. > Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1997 16:46:04 -0500 > To: "Sensible And Nothing Else UFO Research Into Abductions":; > From: Joseph Polanik
> Subject: Dr John Mack and the Investigation of Abductions, 2/n > > Gabbard and Twemlow list 19 features that turn up time and again > in OBE reports and provide a figures for the frequency with which > that feature was reported in their sample. While I appreciate the effort to examine a comparison of OBEs and abductions, using some standardization of effects/experiences, this is absurd! The problem, in short, is that the standardization is vague, ill-defined, and not much of a standard. (This is poor thinking masquarading as science.) > > Number Common Features of OBEs % > 1. Experience was more real than a dream 94 > 2. OBE Body similar to physical body 76 Or in the case of abductions, the REAL body is similar to the REAL body -- now there's a newsflash. > 3. Same environment as physical body 62 Maybe it IS the same environment as the physical body! > 4. Felt a sense of energy 55 Is the extra energy generated internally or externally? Big difference, and very hard to define. > 5. Wanted to return to body 54 LOL! This is funny! > 6. Felt able to pass through objects 50 Yeah, but in the OBE experience you don't need to be in the presence of aliens (or any of their tech) to do so. > 7. Felt vibrations in body 38 See comments about energy above. > 8. Part of awareness was still in body 37 LOL! Hopefully, ALL of your awareness is still in your body. > 9. Was aware of presence of beings 37 And sometimes a presence is just/really a presence . > 10. Heard noises in early stages 37 There's a big difference between the roaring/popping sounds associated with OBEs and the electronic beeps/hums, etc., experienced in the presence of spacecraft! But you would need to have experienced both in order to make the comparison. > 11. Experienced a change in time sense 33 > 12. Saw a brilliant white light 30 I've never seen a white light during an OBE, but it's hard to imagine such a light turning the entire exterior of the house into daylight and having this witnessed by others (not asleep) besides the experiencer. > 13. Felt the presence of guides or helpers 26 > 14. Dark tunnel with white light at end 26 Are we talking OBEs or NDEs here? > 15. Felt attached to phyical body 21 I would hope so. > 16. Felt able to touch objects 18 Ditto. > 17. Felt that others were aware of them 14 When others are present, this is to be expected. > 18. Felt a sense of border or limit 14 What does this mean? > 19. Experienced panoramic vision 14 Obviously some of the "other wordly" or "altered" experiences common to the OBE experience DO fit the abduction scenario and perhaps for good reason. There is something very interdimensional, as we all know. But we will hardly expand our understanding of EITHER phenomenon by simply drawing false comparisons and in the process neatly sweep both under the "well, it's just a dream" or "it's not REALLY real" rug. > Here is his overall conclusion: > > When we closely examine the symptoms of the typical out-of-body > experience, and compare those symptoms to those of a typical alien > abduction, the similarities are astounding. However, based on > physical evidence, it's not reasonable to conclude that all alien > abductions are really OBEs in disguise, nor that all OBEs are alien > abductions in disguise. However, the similarities are strong enough > to suggest that perhaps a fair number of alien abductions have been > incorrectly reported as OBEs, and that a fair number of OBEs have > been incorrectly reported as alien abductions. Thanks for the real life demonstration of the limits of logic. Wrong assumptions generate more wrong assumptions -- garbage in, garbage out. This study makes the same mistake as those that try to corrolate abduction phenomena with EM phenomena (Persinger's work, for example). You can't corrolate vague general statements about lights, energy or the presence of beings. Not MEANINGFUL corrolations, at any rate. The only way to make these comparisons in a valid way is to ask an experiencer of both phenomena to make the evaluation. If you want to know the difference between the flavor of chicken and beef, you need to ask someone who has tasted both. Any abductee can tell you that OBEs and abductions are quite different experiences, although they do have some traits in common. > > <==================================================================== > > In part 3: How many of the features common to OBEs and AAEs are also > features of Awareness during Sleep Paralysis, ASP. And if this part of the study is conducted with the same faulty logic as the above, we can expect similar results. Garbage in, garbage out. -- Skye Turell
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